Comments on: Contradictions and Non-Answers, Part 2: NJTA Responds to Turnpike Widening Comments http://blog.tstc.org/2008/07/24/njta-brings-the-heat-or-at-least-some-hot-air/ News and opinion from the Tri-State Transportation Campaign Sat, 11 Feb 2012 20:36:55 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.3 By: NJ Turnpike: Missing the Money for the Trees | Mobilizing the Region http://blog.tstc.org/2008/07/24/njta-brings-the-heat-or-at-least-some-hot-air/comment-page-1/#comment-9642 NJ Turnpike: Missing the Money for the Trees | Mobilizing the Region Tue, 31 Aug 2010 14:51:49 +0000 http://mobilizingtheregion.wordpress.com/?p=429#comment-9642 [...] promise is another sorry chapter in the history of the Turnpike widening project, which has been poorly justified and promises little but induced traffic and more sprawl.  The trees would have offered noise and [...] [...] promise is another sorry chapter in the history of the Turnpike widening project, which has been poorly justified and promises little but induced traffic and more sprawl.  The trees would have offered noise and [...]

]]> By: More Experts Weigh In Against NJ Turnpike Widening « Mobilizing the Region http://blog.tstc.org/2008/07/24/njta-brings-the-heat-or-at-least-some-hot-air/comment-page-1/#comment-590 More Experts Weigh In Against NJ Turnpike Widening « Mobilizing the Region Tue, 04 Nov 2008 21:35:53 +0000 http://mobilizingtheregion.wordpress.com/?p=429#comment-590 [...] State Parkway widening projects, opting to simply lay more pavement (see, for example, “Contradictions and Non-Answers Part 2,” July ‘08; MTR # [...] [...] State Parkway widening projects, opting to simply lay more pavement (see, for example, “Contradictions and Non-Answers Part 2,” July ‘08; MTR # [...]

]]> By: Noon http://blog.tstc.org/2008/07/24/njta-brings-the-heat-or-at-least-some-hot-air/comment-page-1/#comment-585 Noon Mon, 11 Aug 2008 12:56:47 +0000 http://mobilizingtheregion.wordpress.com/?p=429#comment-585 Thanks! Really amazing. Big ups! Thanks! Really amazing. Big ups!

]]> By: Glenn http://blog.tstc.org/2008/07/24/njta-brings-the-heat-or-at-least-some-hot-air/comment-page-1/#comment-584 Glenn Fri, 08 Aug 2008 20:21:10 +0000 http://mobilizingtheregion.wordpress.com/?p=429#comment-584 Never mind the whole induced demand argument, the NJ Tpk needs **at minimum** one additional lane in each direction between Exits 6 & 9. Period. This is fact (you do not require engineering studies to prove this, just get caught in a 11PM traffic jam on a holiday weekend!), and it needs to be completed yesterday. Anyone who disputes this is simply in denial, as there is a chronic & severe bottleneck in this corridor. Now, additional lanes beyond that? Well, we could argue the "facts" (notice the quotes)on projected volumes endlessly. Volumes may be leveling-off (or even slightly dropping), but we all know that's due to the substantial increase in fuel costs. I'm all for multi-modal transportation solutions, but do to pre-existing conditions or just plain neglect by the "powers that be", there are just some instances where we have no choice, and this is a perfect example. Never mind the whole induced demand argument, the NJ Tpk needs **at minimum** one additional lane in each direction between Exits 6 & 9. Period. This is fact (you do not require engineering studies to prove this, just get caught in a 11PM traffic jam on a holiday weekend!), and it needs to be completed yesterday. Anyone who disputes this is simply in denial, as there is a chronic & severe bottleneck in this corridor.

Now, additional lanes beyond that? Well, we could argue the “facts” (notice the quotes)on projected volumes endlessly.

Volumes may be leveling-off (or even slightly dropping), but we all know that’s due to the substantial increase in fuel costs.

I’m all for multi-modal transportation solutions, but do to pre-existing conditions or just plain neglect by the “powers that be”, there are just some instances where we have no choice, and this is a perfect example.

]]> By: Erik Engquist http://blog.tstc.org/2008/07/24/njta-brings-the-heat-or-at-least-some-hot-air/comment-page-1/#comment-589 Erik Engquist Thu, 07 Aug 2008 17:27:43 +0000 http://mobilizingtheregion.wordpress.com/?p=429#comment-589 If one project to increase road capacity "requires" connecting roads to increase their capacity, it would produce an endless chain of road-widening projects. If not, then something must be wrong with the logic of posts 1 and 2. If one project to increase road capacity “requires” connecting roads to increase their capacity, it would produce an endless chain of road-widening projects. If not, then something must be wrong with the logic of posts 1 and 2.

]]> By: J http://blog.tstc.org/2008/07/24/njta-brings-the-heat-or-at-least-some-hot-air/comment-page-1/#comment-586 J Mon, 28 Jul 2008 17:58:32 +0000 http://mobilizingtheregion.wordpress.com/?p=429#comment-586 If the facts are so flimsy, the logic so contradictory, and the process so clearly not in accordance with the law, why not sue the state? It was done for Atlantic Yards. If TSTC has a legal team, it should be moving ahead with this. If not, there should be some movement to set one up. This type of process has been rubber stamped for years. If the law says they must analyze alternatives, then someone has to sue to uphold the law. If the facts are so flimsy, the logic so contradictory, and the process so clearly not in accordance with the law, why not sue the state? It was done for Atlantic Yards. If TSTC has a legal team, it should be moving ahead with this. If not, there should be some movement to set one up. This type of process has been rubber stamped for years. If the law says they must analyze alternatives, then someone has to sue to uphold the law.

]]> By: Douglas Willinger http://blog.tstc.org/2008/07/24/njta-brings-the-heat-or-at-least-some-hot-air/comment-page-1/#comment-587 Douglas Willinger Mon, 28 Jul 2008 02:47:15 +0000 http://mobilizingtheregion.wordpress.com/?p=429#comment-587 True. It may do the same for I-95 through Philadelphia. Hopefully the planning there, such as the hopefully to-be-undergrounded segment will acknowledge that. True.

It may do the same for I-95 through Philadelphia. Hopefully the planning there, such as the hopefully to-be-undergrounded segment will acknowledge that.

]]> By: Edward http://blog.tstc.org/2008/07/24/njta-brings-the-heat-or-at-least-some-hot-air/comment-page-1/#comment-588 Edward Fri, 25 Jul 2008 17:42:37 +0000 http://mobilizingtheregion.wordpress.com/?p=429#comment-588 The connnection between I-95 and Pennsylvania Turnpike in Southeastern Pennsylvania in under construction. I-95 will be routed onto the PA and NJ Turnpikes and a new bridge over the Delaware River will be constructed. This will bring large amounts of traffic onto the NJ Turnpike. That alone will require NJ Turnpike to be widened. The connnection between I-95 and Pennsylvania Turnpike in Southeastern Pennsylvania in under construction. I-95 will be routed onto the PA and NJ Turnpikes and a new bridge over the Delaware River will be constructed. This will bring large amounts of traffic onto the NJ Turnpike. That alone will require NJ Turnpike to be widened.

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